Sunday, January 09, 2005

No Answers

no one has the right answer
and that makes me feel better about everything.


YRG said...

The universe is indifferent.
What I want to know is why people feel the need to "own" ideas and thoughts. As humans we are 99.9% the same. Why do we make such a big deal of the .1% that is different?
Individuality is bunk.

Anonymous said...

I guess I understand how you feel, I've been feeling the same things, but don't you think that through technology we could eventually limit our danger at the hands of nature, or that through continuing social progress, elimante injustice? Religion nowadays is all screwed up with getting in to heaven and whatnot, but if it really could make the world a better place (and maybe it's not religion at this point anymore), wouldn't that be good?

Anonymous said...

I was raised religious (baptist), but at a certain point in my life, somewhere in the teens, I started to think differently, and I eventually rejected those ideas altogether. I agree that organized religion doesn't make a lot of sense. Over the past few years I've been thinking about the cosmic type stuff now and then and I have been writing down a few of my ideas about my philosophy. I guess my basic belief about the universe is that there is no truth. There is no one perfect solution that we can know. There are no perfectly straight lines in the world, everything is a bit jaggedy. So, because we can't see the whole picture, if there is one in this massive shifting cosmos, all we are left with is our perspective. And the best we can do as far as what's right or wrong, is to be honest about the way we see the world, to ourselves and others. And the great the great thing about perspective is that given any situation, there is always room to take a step to the side and look at the world a new way. Like a house, if you'll excuse the analogy, you can never see the entire thing at once, but you can walk around and check out all the different angles. It's often valuable to me to find out how other people look at things. Like you say, it's great to have discussions, to disagree, because in this way we can see another part of the picture through someone elses eyes. Often if we can be civil and honest enough about our perspectives, we can find that we don't disagree so much as simply see the same thing from a different angle. Sometimes it's hard to allow yourself to see things another way, it's natural for people to seek concrete solutions to the things they see or can't see in their lives, then get locked into only seeing things that one way forever. That is the fundamental flaw I see in organized religions. I see what you're saying about there always being suffering, but no matter what you're going through, the world can always be a beautiful place, if you're willing to see it.
-Andy Wade

Dave Counts said...

“Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling -- everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny -- It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.” (Solo)

I also grew up in a household without any religious instruction/indoctrination/ritual. I found the closest approximation of what I could believe in ‘The Force’ after seeing Star Wars.

“It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.” (Kenobi)

Which just goes to show the power of good story-telling. (Maybe I just believe in good story-tellers) But for some time neither the gospels of Luke or Lucas have compelled me. When you find your light saber just out of reach enough times, and it never seems to leap into your hand, you start to believe in things like gravity. I test my faith in gravity constantly, and it never fails me.

So Einstein is my prophet:

"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."

Anonymous said...

Why is it there is never a religious zealot around when you need one? We all agree and that's no fun.

I always like how religious people try to rationalize death:

If someone young dies they say "Well G-d wanted her with him in heaven a little sooner."

If someone old dies they say "Well he lived a good life and now he is in heaven serving G-d."

Dieing has to be OK as nobody gets out of here alive. It doesn't need to be rationalized with religion. If you live long and well and contribute to humanity that's great if you die very young that sucks. The best explanation of life is simply "Shit Happens".

You can rationalize what happens anyway you want. The only thing that matters and makes your life better or worse is how you deal with shit happening.

If you think not eating pork ever or not eating meat at certain times or not fucking until your state says your legally married is going to get you into heaven well then I'm not interested in your G-d because no one like a micromanager.

What's so great about heaven anyways? I'm sure it's non-smoking and non-alcholic. And eternity is a really long time without a beer or cigarette.


Anonymous said...

wow, going into religon, huh? That takes alot of balls. But it seems to me that if anyone can slog through that kind of stuff it should be you. I have to tell you, you have a great ability to have a conversation with yourself. Well, at least to a camera. And that is probably my favorite kind of vlog that you do, where you just talk to the camera, raise some interesting ideas, expound on those ideas, and then let us viewers go off and ponder those ideas ourselves. Perhaps its the voyeur in me but it is very interesting how you lay out your personal life into the void for anyone to peruse and comment on. And now you take on the greatest of personal issues, the one that gets people more riled up than anything, even more than politics. Well, this could be a fascinating trip. Lead on Ryanne. Like most people I don't have any of the answers to this topic, not even a clue. Far smarter people than I have pondered this stuff for centuries and have yet to come up with any answers that make any real sense to me. It seems to me that the idea of humans conceiving of a God is almost a contradiction; if there is a force that is all powerful and all knowing and all infinite then it is far too massive and complex and simply beyond our ability to compehend it. We could never begin to understand even the slightest bit of what that force is. Of course, most religious people would argue that that is what makes up faith;
but thats a leap that I have a hard time making. So, thanks for taking us on another trip into the world of Ryanne. Keep this topic going. This is a good one.

ryanne said...

i love that people are talking here.
but i hate that they are anonymous.
at least sign your name and put contact info in the comment so i can respond to you.
this is what it's all about.
i mean, fine if you just want to post a comment, so be it.
i want to talk to you!!!!

dltq said...

Here is my vlog comment:

Verdi said...

All that god stuff is favorite topic of mine. Ten years ago I did a performance inspired by this quote:

Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and are not, how ever it may seem, uniquely determined by the external world. In our en deavor to understand reality we are somewhat like a man trying to under stand the mechanism of a closed watch. He sees the face and the moving hands, even hears its ticking, but he has no way of opening the case. If he is ingenious he may form some picture of a mechanism which could be re sponsible for all the things he observes, but he may never be quite sure his picture is the only one which could explain his observations. He will never be able to compare his picture with the real mechanism and he cannot even imagine the possibility of the meaning of such a comparison.

Albert Einstein, 1938
The Evolution of Physics

Anonymous said...

Hey, isn't being anonymous what the web is all about? You don't have to hear my voice as I say this, you don't have to see my face, I don't have to deal with your reactions. Everyone says "Oh the web brings people together". Well, I'm not so sure. It allows people to state their opinions and exchange thoughts and ideas without the consequence of real life. No one questions me, no one stops me and calls me on my opinion. No dealing with the harsh reality of real people doing what real people do when they are actually in the same room with someone. So, you know who I am by what I write. I become that person to you and thats who I am. We are removed from the drudgery of reality and instead inhabit a clean, controlled electronic life system, free from all the messiness of real life. So here I sit, watching you act as if your really here with me having a conversation. And somehow you are as anonymous to me as I am to you. Is that really you? Besides, its kind of fun doing this stuff like this. Its too bad we all can't do it over a couple of beers as we're doing it. Although, that might make it a little too real.

ryanne said...

i wouldnt consider putting myself in a video, speaking frankly, honestly and directly to you, with my name and location on my blog to be anonymous.
but maybe we subscribe to different versions of

Chalupa said...

I really like hearing what you guys have to say about all this stuff. I'll start off by saying I was raised as a Baptist. I don't go to a Baptist church anymore so maybe 'christian' would be a better label for me.

I'd like to say I don't agree and am often ashamed by organized religion a lot. As far as Christianity goes all you have to do is bring up stuff like the Middle Ages, Crusades, witch hunts, the conquistadors, etc. A lot of messed up shit has been done in the name of "God". I also get annoyed with a lot of the 'christians' that make appearances today in various forms of media pronouncing mass judgement on everyone. There are definately things that people do in the world that I don't agree with and the Bible would call sinning. However, there are many things I do that classify as sinning too so how am I better than everybody else? I try to dislike actions I see in people rather than just disliking the person as a whole. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff I do that pisses people off too.

I also certainly don't think I have answers to all those 'un-answered' questions out there or know why things happen. I choose to believe in the whole God thing and that gives me hope or faith as others call it. I've sometimes thought about maybe what I believe in really isn't true and some of the ramifications that could have. However, I continue to believe in what I do based upon my own personal life experiences and what I have seen happen in other people's lives.

Quirk said...

My response at:

A.O. Flores said...

Hey Ryanne~ My video comment as a Christian. The sheep to the slaughter has arrived. Baaaaa!

Verdi said...

Drunk On The Blood Of The Lord.This isn't exactly a response but I dug this out of a box in my closet because I think it's still a good representation of my experience and feelings toward religion and God. The video is an excerpt from my first solo performance. It was shot at Jump-Start Performance Co. in May 1992.

jellyroll said...

Wow. First shoplifting and now religion! You are really going for the controversy, I love it! I would start a good argument with you but unfortunately I pretty much agree with what you said, so I'll ramble a bit instead.

I think about these topics alot too. Pain, fear and death are a part of life. You can accept them or not, but you can't make them go away. Maybe by accepting them we can live more fully and be who we are. I don't know.

I liked your rant on organized religion. Who gave them the monopoly on the truth? Oh that's right, Mr. God! Ha! Why don't people open up their eyes and think for themselves?

I don't think anyone has the "right" answer either. I think no matter how much we learn there will always be mystery, and maybe we just need to learn to live with that.

I've watched several of your videos and they keep getting more interesting and compelling. Keep up the great work!

Anonymous said...

I'm posting anonymously because I'm just too lazy and disinterested in getting a blogger account...

I'm a complete agnostic. My understanding of this term seems to be different than yours. According to dictionary sources and my own internal semantics for this term, an agnostic is somewho who believes it is impossible to know if there is a god. This I believe.

I also wonder if some element of our desire for spiritual connections isn't hardwired into our brains. It seems to be a universal tendency and, therefore, leads me to think that it is. However, since I personally feel no special need for spirituality, I also wonder if this isn't counter-evidence. On the other hand, I could actually have a "flawed" brain... or humans have the capacity of over-riding this basic instinct with reflection. On these matters, I'm agnostic. :-)

Lisa (from the videoblogging list)

Anonymous said...

Truth (the right answer) exists, otherwise you wouldn't have formulated a list of "truth claims" and attempted to back them all up with reason. Why engage in any form of reasoning if there is no such thing as truth (true vs. non-true) to backup that process of reasoning? Reasoning itself shows truth exists, and if there is truth, there is an "answer" to INFORMED questions.

For example, "Who are your parents?" is an informed question that has a definite answer... one may not know the answer, but the answer exists. The answer can exist apart from our knowledge - even apart from our personal ability to know. That doesn't mean nobody knows the answer, though.

One can claim "knowing the right answers" is a difficult task, but nobody can sincerely claim "the right answers are unknowable" without taking a very dogmatic/infallible/unreasonable/intolerant posture - though many do and don't even know how dogmatic they are actually being! ;)

Thanks for sharing and putting yourself out there! Very admirable! Sorry if this is too long!

Anonymous said...

My blog permalinks got screwed about a year ago, so here is the new link to that old reply, for continuity's sake: